BTFO AGAIN!

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  • notapoliticsguy reply Point 1: I don't think anyone but Donald Trump can state clearly, and with honesty, that he hates the current system, realistically no truth can be garnered there. What can be garnered is individual financial solvency and this is important. No one knows what is in Donald Trump’s heart, but thanks to federal election laws, everyone (via FOIA requests) now knows whats in his bank account. To bring the point to head: Marco Rubio was called out recently on flipping property (~100k or so to ~300k or so if I recall correctly) to a lobbyist, in what could be considered a sale of potential voting power. A sitting US Senator effectively bought off for lets say 150k after taxes, closing, legal fees. A fair number of people believe that when we are talking power brokering we are talking “I’ll give you $10 million for this vote”, this is a massive overvaluation of the cost of buying power in Washington DC. Yes, lobbyists spend billions of dollar a year in DC, but not all at once, not on ...moreone person, and not from one source. I would say Marco’s 150k was probably a bit high given the numbers you see submitted by individual contributors to serious presidential nominees and the sheer amount of time Hillary Clinton is out fundraising to hit a couple hundred million dollars for a general election war chest. Then you have Donald Trump. Now if you believe, honestly, that a billionaire is for sale for 150k I have a sweet spot on the moon I’d like to sell you for a fair price, promise. The simple, distilled answer is this: corporations want to spend as little money as possible affecting the transition of power, just like any other aspect of their company, which is to say, with Donald Trump, yes, sure, it’s possible that he could be bribed, it’s possible Bernie could be bribed, you don’t really know, but I can tell you this, Donald Trump would cost a hell of a lot more, were talking orders of magnitude of difference here. People lie, auditing doesn’t. Point 2: “Let’s build a wall and make Mexico pay for it!”. I love how everyone gets riled up about this, like Mexico has a choice in the matter. The simple answer is this: A sitting president has a massive amount of power in relation to trade negotiations and contracts with other nations. When Donald Trump says “Mexico will pay for it” he doesn’t mean he’s going to fly to Mexico and ask them politely to pay for a wall, he means he’s going to affect their existing trade deal in such a way that the trade deficit is, at a minimum, less than the amount it will cost for him to build the wall, which effectively means Mexico paid for the wall, as that’s money that would have been theirs, but now isn’t. Something to ruminate over here: Literally everything Trump makes a point about in his “we’ll make this great and that great” 10-20 word answers relating to policy actually has a backing potential play for a sitting president to accomplish individually (without additional executive action - I know it’s crazy, right?) or with a small group of similarly aligned politicians. In relation to Trump utilizing illegal immigrants, you will be hard pressed to find a large scale corporation in the United States that hasn’t been sued and settled for purposefully or accidentally employing illegal immigrants. It just happens here, and it happens a lot. Given the example against Trump is from the 80’s I’m disinclined to believe that it’s common behavior for him or his corporate interests as it would be more politically relevant to bring up a case of it in the last 10 years, and since that hasn’t been brought to light, I have a hard time believing it exists. Point 3: If you have ever played poker you know not to show your cards, this is the same in business where information is a weapon. Trump has been doing this for a LONG TIME, and this is the best way I can pose this to you: If you could get 30-40% of the base of your party and about 70% of the political news coverage, on average, to vote for you for saying effectively nothing, in a field of many other potential candidates, why would you start saying something? By not actively allowing the debate of policy in any real terms, he effectively restricts his opponents ability to challenge him on topic, keeping attacks personal, news cycles covering, free publicity moving and costs for the campaign down. This is how a business person thinks. I wouldn’t expect this to change until the primary is cleared and the initial attacks are off the chain in the general election (see Hillary attack dog ad that is not funded in any real way but is on CNN like half the day - and they hate Trump). This man has dealt with businessmen, politicians, media, and Joe America most of his adult life, and in mostly a positive way. The reason this campaign is so different is because you are looking at what happens when someone with enough money/power/staff/connections to work the system from the shadows decides to drive it in the light instead. Your average politician just isn’t prepared for it. It’s like a current day soldier shooting a 12th century knight, they just stand there perplexed as to how this occured (see Rubio, Jeb!, Christie for facial reactions to their total failure to compete in a field where they thought they really had a chance). The closest comparable campaign I’ve seen in my lifetime would be Vladimir Putin. Now before you decide to take the high horse regarding Putin, keep in mind for the Russian people (this is important because he is their president, not yours) he’s been very good for them, they love him. Everyone else hates him; mostly because he doesn’t capitulate easily and he is very nationalistic. However, if I were Russian I would think that was a good thing too.
  • PanderBear reply I don't mean to be rude. I would just like to see an independent think-tank, economist, or immigration/foreign policy specialist who supports Trump's views, rather than a link to Trump's website.
  • PanderBear reply 1. We have reached a moot point here. Based on his record, I do not trust Trump enough to believe he hates the system and earnestly wants to change it. I will adjust my opinion if provided with more evidence. 2. Refer to my source and it shows the judge ruled that Trump likely did know his sub-contractors were violating labor laws and was liable for damages. He then appealed and settled privately before the next trial. Again, simply not substantial evidence for me to believe Trump practices what he preaches. 3. If you want to convince me that Trump has legitimate policies regarding healthcare reform, give me sources other than Trump's campaign website. For example, here are three sources showing that Trump's allegations against Obamacare are ill-founded. Note that none of them are from campaign sites. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/25/donald-trump/trump-obamacare-health-care-premiums-going-35-45-5/ http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-02/obamacare-...moreisnt-driving-up-health-costs-really http://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/skyrocketing-premiums/
  • ar40 reply Re: point 3, also: I firmly believe that Trump is remaining intentionally vague on some policy issues, and will address them more in depth once he gets the republican nomination. I think some of his views might turn off some republicans, and that he is more of a moderate/centrist, which is AOK by me. Him giving some measure of approval to Planned Parenthood for example, saying that they do indeed do good things (just not abortion and baby limb usage). HE was lambasted in the republican media for saying that. So, he's keeping some of his views close to his chest for now.
  • just_some_guy reply A REPLY: 1. Trump is guilty of lobbying: Reply: Of course he is. That's the point. With the current corrupt government, every business needs to lobby to succeed. He played that game, and hates it. So he's here to change the rules. 2. Illegal immigration - Trump has no policy, and Trump used them in his company. Reply: The only policy he needs are "enforce the current laws", which is being ignored by most states besides Arizona, and the Fed govt; and build a wall to stem people and drug smuggling. In regards to the workers "working for him"; they tend to be subcontractors. If they were illegal, Trump's company wouldn't know about it. Contractors in the middle might know the truth, but Trump wouldn't. 3. He has no policies - I hear nothing! Reply: The two most important issues are probably healthcare and immigration. Here you go! https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform The healthcare reform is awesome by the ...moreway. To someone like yourself, the immigration reform policy might seem empty. All it really says is "enforce the laws"; but as stated above, the laws are currently not being enforced; so this is a huge change in executive policy, even though it's not a legislative policy.
  • PanderBear reply I found the link by browsing through reddit/the_donald, because I like to be informed about others' opinions. And I'm sorry, but as much as I would love to stick it to the establishment, I simply cannot support Mr. Trump. I do not believe he has sufficient knowledge of the U.S. Constitution, the political process, macro-economics, or foreign relations. As I mentioned earlier, I would love to discuss this in an open and civil manner. However, this means I need to hear a calm and reasonable answer for Trump's mannerisms, and so far no one has been able to do this! Please, tell me what you think of the following: 1. I believe a large problem in American politics is lobbying. This is what I see as the establishment/corruption. Business are able to invest millions of dollars to protect their interests in the political system, while the voters are left with only one of two buttons to press every couple of years. As a businessman, Trump is guilty (or innocent, I guess, based on your opinion...more) of this crime against democracy. Here is one source I used: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/donald-trump-lobbyists-washington-insider-213466 2. I sincerely believe in immigration reform, but Trump has offered literally nothing to fix it. He keeps saying he will build a wall and let Mexico pay for it. Why should I believe such an outlandish claim? Also, he literally used illegal immigration in the construction of Trump tower and was forced into a settlement with his plaintiffs. Why should I support someone who seems so willing to take advantage of the things he considers to be harmful to America? Source: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/25/marco-rubio/marco-rubio-says-donald-trump-had-pay-1-million-hi/ 3. Point #2 brings to light my main concern. I have listened to so many of Trump's stump speeches, and over and over again I hear literally nothing. He just repeats "I'm going to be great at this," or "we're going to put a stop to that." "I will end this deficit," and "I will put an end to terrorism," but I've not once heard how he plans on doing these things. I may have been harsh when I ranted about his speeches' reading level, but why should I support so many baseless, shallow claims? Every time I hear him speak I hear nothing of substance. PLEASE, leave this comment up and respond. CONVINCE ME TO SUPPORT TRUMP AND I SINCERELY WILL.
  • ar40 reply How did you even find this link? I posted this to only high energy domreddits, like /r/the_Donald. MAGA, baby. Now that Bernie is out of it, come join the other anti-establishment candidate still running. Together we can reform Washington and shut down the TPP and other rackets.
  • PanderBear reply I wrote a very reasonable, well-informed comment that only briefly mentioned Bernie Sanders as someone who wanted to raise taxes to pay for health care. I also provided resources for where people could inform themselves about our economy and our political system. I don't necessarily support all of Bernie Sanders's views, but I did my research and believe universal health-care, and sophisticated gun regulations to be beneficial to our nation. Do you disagree with that? Fine. Let's talk about it! I'm tired of the segregation of our political process. You obviously think there were issues with my comment, and what was your reaction? You removed it. You are trying to prevent others from seeing it. Well, to me you are simply prohibiting the flow of information, and censoring a friendly and beneficial dialogue between our philosophies. Remove this comment too, if you want. To me it will only mean that I am right in my dogma, and that you have no love for the very spirit of Democracy that fo...moreunded this great nation.
  • ar40 reply No BernieBros please.
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