The Alex Jones of Millennials

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  • [ – ] ClimatePonziLie reply They introduced the gene into the crop so they can claim ownership of the product. Cancer aside it about trying to corner the market. When the wind spreads the modified product to surrounding farms they claim ownership of the crops that were contaminated by the Monsanto Products. They send their lawyers after the farmer that should be claiming damages for the failure to be kept free of their product. Plants share genes so eventually the resistant gene will end up in the very plants that round up is meant to kill. Bacteria also mutate and will help bring this modified gene to other species. There is a scientist and PHD that wrote the Wisdom of your cells by Bruce Lipton coves this topic in several of his chapters.
    • [ – ] shanedk parent reply Absolutely nothing in this comment is true. The gene is naturally occurring from bacteria so they can't patent it. They have NEVER ONCE claimed contaminated crops, there hasn't ever been SHOWN contamination of the crops. They have NEVER sued ANY farmer that hasn't used their seeds directly. There is NO evidence this gene is transmittable via horizontal gene transfer (and it's FAR more likely to happen from the original bacteria than from the Monsanto crops). Bruce Lipton has been UNIVERSALLY derided for his bad science, and not just related to GMOs. He thinks the cell membrane is the brain of a cell, and that's where our beliefs come from. He disbelieves germ theory, and believes that you can change your genes using the power of your mind. Is this REALLY the guy you want to be going to for scientific information?
      • [ – ] ClimatePonziLie parent reply The bacteria burrowed it's way into the plant and then said I don't want this crap gene any more you have it. I'm glad to know that plants can't be patent. I'm glad to see that when I Google: (Monsanto patent seeds) or (Why does Monsanto sew farmers that save seeds) So there is no natural process for sharing genes from plants to plants, because the honey Bees all died after a snack on Monsanto products. Insects don't move pollen around, or does the wind. Monsanto has wrongly demonized Mosquitoes, giving a mixed message when they convince us to spay, accusing them of being the carries of diseases that transfer viruses for farm animals to man it's proof of bad science, when they say that a dieses can be transferred by mosquitoes from animals to man, yet it's impossible for plants to do it! If you see a tick it your friend. Avian flew doesn't exist either. Not a single person has ever acquired a virus from farm animals or insects. . That must be when they culled a million birds they wor...moree full contamination suits and face masks including breathing filters etc. It was all a show for the media, they weren't worried that that it could contaminate anyone working there.
        • [ – ] shanedk parent reply Bacteria do something called "horizontal gene transfer" which allows them to exchange genes with another organism. This is actually how carrots became orange. And the process is pretty much IDENTICAL to modern GMO techniques: if you showed a geneticist a sequence with a GM gene, and one with a gene naturally transferred from bacteria, they won't be able to tell you which is which! Patenting SEEDS is different from patenting GENES. Even organic seeds have patents. "Why does Monsanto sew farmers that save seeds" Because they contractually agreed not to. "because the honey Bees all died after a snack on Monsanto products" LIE. "when they say that a dieses can be transferred by mosquitoes from animals to man, yet it's impossible for plants to do it!" Plants don't suck blood from humans, MORON. You ARE susceptible to diseases from ORGANIC crops, because of the "natural fertilizer" (e.g., shit) they put all over them. There have been LOTS of E. coli infections traced to organic farms. N...moreONE to Monsanto. All you're doing is spewing crap you culled off the Internet, with NO understanding of reality. You don't even understand what genes are and how they work!
          • [ – ] ClimatePonziLie parent reply Perhaps I didn't state the point I was trying to stress, strongly enough, is that genes don't necessary stay where they are placed. Mosquitoes suck sap from plants there are many insects that feed on food crops including bacteria. The gene to make these crops round up resistant won't necessary stay in their engineered food crop. Monsanto might be opening Pandora's Box in other ways. I'll use your statement which proves my point that genes don't necessary stay in place. Bacteria do something called "horizontal gene transfer" which allows them to exchange genes with another organism. This is actually how carrots became orange. Epigenetics: the study of changes in organisms caused by modification of gene expression rather than alteration of the genetic code itself. Phenotype the set of observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment. Again you agreeing with me Monsanto owns it. The farmer sings a contract they have to sell...more it back to Monsanto. The farmer is just a contract grower of the GMO. My original statement still stands. Cancer aside it about trying to corner the market. When she asked the question is asked why create GMO and I replied it about taking over ownership of food production/ Corporate control. What if Monsanto doesn't want to provide you with seed one year, all your equipment is built for a specific crop. As far as signing a contracts, I don't remember being asked to sign a contract giving permission to put GMO in my food. Organic seeds have patents, that a response to keeping corporations from taking control of every food crop. That's the layer's way of saying protect your rights stay independent and not be forced into becoming a contract farmer. Yes they put shit on organic crops that the idea of ORGANIC, and they can put shit on GMO crops just as fast. They draw water form the same sources. E. coli infections traced to chickens. Most people eat cooked grain it's called bread. But if they soak it in some uncooked chicken blood, Organic vegetables if cooked won't spread E. coli infections either. People eat them raw because the think that cooking destroys nutrients or it will destroy the product. I have never once cooked my salad before consuming it. Pulling stuff off the internet, Ok Is the Epicyte Gene Causing Sterility In The GMO Corn You Eat. What is the Origin of the Epicyte gene. Restated How was the Epicyte Gene created. The first recombinant plant-derived protein (PDP) was human serum albumin, initially produced in 1990 in transgenic tobacco and potato plants. Pharming, a portmanteau of "farming" and "pharmaceutical", refers to the use of genetic engineering to insert genes that code for useful pharmaceuticals into host animals or plants that would otherwise not express those genes, thus creating a genetically modified organism (GMO). Pharming is also known as molecular farming, molecular pharming. To mass produce something it's easier to put it in a plant and grow it where insects and the wind can spread it. Dead bees was original meant too be a joke, followed by Ticks are your friends. I should have added Bed bugs just want to get closer. There are many insects that feed on food crops not just honey bees and Mosquitoes. Locust feed on crops and are subsequently eaten by people and wild life. Have they tested everyone of the thousands of insects that come into contact with a GMO food crop to see if their dying. Like you said Chocolate is poison to dogs but not humans. To say the science is settled is the same argument that the Climate Change BS use that CO2 is the problem while they Conduct Geo-Engineering.
            • [ – ] shanedk parent reply "Mosquitoes suck sap from plants there are many insects that feed on food crops including bacteria." Wow, you think that when something eats something else it gets their genes??? I think you're too far gone for hope... Tell you what: I'll show you two sucrose molecules, one from organic cane sugar and the other from genetically-modified sugar beets. When you can tell which one is which, THEN I'll start taking what you say seriously.
              • [ – ] ClimatePonziLie parent reply Again you skipped my argument that genes introduced into one plant are not necessary going to stay in the plant. That has been my point of every response that is skipped over. Moving genes is not the exclusive domain of man. To use your example. Bacteria do something called "horizontal gene transfer" which allows them to exchange genes with another organism. Sugar is a carbohydrate it's not a gene it's a product of the genes. Just as protein is the product of genes in animals. Eating something is not how the scientist transferred the genes to produce GMO's but it's another good attempt at misdirection. My concern is that a gene introduced into another species will not stay only in the species it is introduced into. Article: Gene Transfer Between Species Is Surprisingly Common, Source: University of California - Berkeley Summary: Bacteria are known to share genes, spreading drug resistance, for example. But how common is it in other organisms, including mammals like us? Two new studies...more show that most bacteria have genes or large groups of genes shared by other bacteria. Even among higher organisms, shared genes are the rule rather than the exception. My other concern is ownership, money is the driving factor behind the push for GMO's and their claims.
                • [ – ] shanedk parent reply "Again you skipped my argument that genes introduced into one plant are not necessary going to stay in the plant." No, I covered that: YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW GENETIC TRANSFER WORKS. What you are saying is IMPOSSIBLE! Creatures don't transfer genes from one organism to another by EATING! "Moving genes is not the exclusive domain of man." Wow, LYING again! I EXPLICITLY told you how horizontal gene transfer works. Now you're LYING and saying I said that only man can do it when I GAVE YOU AN EXAMPLE of it happening in nature (the orange carrots) in a way INDISTINGUISHABLE from GMOs! You've ignored this and ALL the other points I made, while LYING and saying I skipped arguments of yours that I didn't. "Sugar is a carbohydrate it's not a gene it's a product of the genes. Just as protein is the product of genes in animals." EXACTLY! And if you can't tell the difference between one from an organic crop and one from a GMO, then THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE THAT MATTERS!!! So thank you for admitting it...more's all bullshit.
                  • [ – ] ClimatePonziLie parent reply You know not how to read. ( header above every statement ) Every sentence below say exactly the same thing just in a different way. ( direct statement of gene transfer ) Perhaps I didn't state the point I was trying to stress, strongly enough, is that genes don't necessary stay where they are placed. ( example of gene transfer ) Moving genes is not the exclusive domain of man. To use your example. Bacteria do something called "horizontal gene transfer" which allows them to exchange genes with another organism. ( other agents/ accomplice of gene transfer ) Eating something is not how the scientist transferred the genes to produce GMO's Insects and the wind, They certainty don't hinder or impede the process. ( unplanned gene transfer ) My concern is that a gene introduced into another species will not stay only in the species it is introduced into.
                    • [ – ] shanedk parent reply And, you didn't read ANY of my reply. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE I responded to. You are NOT here to learn. This is your religion, and you will tell any LIE to keep it going.
                      • [ – ] ClimatePonziLie parent reply I read your replies and there were an lot of insults, which still haven't ended. I responded to the sugar comment that is a carb. Your point was the gene that makes sugar in beets is the same gene that make sugar in cane. Scientist can't tell the difference of which plant made the sugar. (Still not un-intended gene transfer) Both Golden rice was created by transforming the rice with two beta-carotene biosynthesis genes: Scientist add beta-carotene gene into rice. It's the same gene that produces beta-carotene in carrots. Scientist can't tell the difference from which plant made the vitamin. (Still not un-intended gene transfer) Round up ready crops carry the gene coding for a glyphosate-insensitive form of this enzyme, obtained from Agrobacterium. This make the grain resistance to glyphosate, which would have other wise killed both the grain and weeds when used to control the weed problem. (Still not un-intended gene transfer) I could of said something like plants produce prote...moreins also. Proteins in animals have lead to (Mad Cows disease) That would have been a non relevant response. As it isn't a gene transfer but a disease that is caused by an infectious protein called a prions. (Still not un-intended gene transfer) when I mentioned the book the wisdom of your cells by Bruce Lipton, My comment was about (Risks from GMOs due to Horizontal Gene Transfer - Environmental risk. I personally found his last chapter too metaphysical spirituality. Peace, it all good with me.
                        • [ – ] shanedk parent reply "I responded to the sugar comment that is a carb." That is NOT a response! Whether we're talking carb, protein, or whatever, if you CAN'T TELL which one came from GMO and which one came from organic, you have NOTHING to say to ANYONE. "(Still not un-intended gene transfer)" Read my lips: THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN!!! You are spreading BULLSHIT!!! Do you get carrot genes when you eat carrots? NO! So why would you get any other gene from any other plant just because it's GMO? And you keep spewing this bullshit like it's a fucking mantra! Do you REALLY not get how much of an IDIOT this makes you look like? "Scientist add beta-carotene gene into rice." Yes, the SAME WAY it got added to carrots to make them orange. Again, a geneticist looking at the sequence would NOT be able to tell the difference unless he already knew which sequence was which! "Proteins in animals have lead to (Mad Cows disease)" No, they haven't. STOP LYING. And once again: BRUCE LIPTON IS A QUACK! Do not take ANYTHING he...more says seriously!
                          • [ – ] iamli3 parent reply i'll just throw this in to the mix https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/716381632881238016
                            • shanedk parent reply I would also point out that the LD50 for glyphosate I mentioned is more than the LD50 for salt. And yet, people can easily withstand saline solutions introduced intravenously. Because of the AMOUNT you're getting!
                            • [ – ] shanedk parent reply So it's toxic if you INJECT it. I said in the video don't DRINK it. But the tiny amount you'd get from eating the crops? Do you have ANYTHING showing that amount is a problem? Remember: THE DOSE MAKES THE POISON!
                              • [ – ] iamli3 parent reply i'll take that as a no , there is no such thing as a safe does of a toxin and all the toxicological amount numbers are meaningless since our environment is so totally contaminated that hundreds of man made chemicals are being found in the fucking placentals of new borns , no toxicological studies have been done on the effects on biology the mass synergistically toxic our environment is most notably from things like geoengineering and vaccines which even on an individual level exceed all poison limits for many poisons.......
                                • [ – ] shanedk parent reply "there is no such thing as a safe does of a toxin" And with that, you just proved that no one should take a word you say seriously. Again, THE DOSE MAKES A POISON. EVERY SINGLE TOXIN has a safe dose. Your body has trace amounts of arsenic, cyanide, mercury, and other highly poisonous substances. ANY toxicologist will back me up on this. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
                                  • iamli3 parent reply And with that, you just proved that no one should take a word you say seriously. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT because you're not informed to the current knowledge of biological understanding like i am , you haven't listened to dozens of doctors and scientists on the cutting edge of the science now shut up and listen to me as i tell you that everything in our reality is electrical which means there is no such thing as a non-thermal effect , temperature begins at some really low degree like -4000 or something , and all toxins create inflammation in the body , and inflammation is a sort of root of all disease , there is no such thing as a "safe" does of a toxin , and you didn't even address you're lack of awareness of synergistic toxicity , you are playing a dangerous game of disseminating false medical information to people and you need to stop.......
                              • iamli3 parent reply instead of answering any of that stuff you answer my question , are you aware of synergistic toxicity?....
  • iamli3 reply k but you're missing 1 fatal point in your comparison , tyt is known for lying where as alex jones and infowars is known for telling the truth because they don't lie (although i have plans for a video that will actually prove alex jones lied when everyone else has failed to do so) and have only made 3 retractions in their history of being on air , you'll be lucky if tyt lies only 3 times per video....
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