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  • [ – ] Noone5 reply In Anime Evaluation for 1998 & 1997, as an update, Betterman was removed from AOTY for 1999, yet while all AOTY of the decade are shown in this video, Betterman is still there. Berserk was also as AOTY in 1997 in place of Sailor Moon, yet Sailor Moon is shown as AOTY for that year in this video. So which is right for both cases?
  • [ – ] Embrace-your-sorrow reply Saint Seiya's too basic? By today's standards at that? It is indeed simple, but the characters sell the show. And the OST's amazing. Still infinitely more complex than MHA. FotNS (part 2 was solid btw) is the first long running shounen anime. The "Ring ni Kakero" manga is the first long running shounen ever. And guess what? Ring ni Kakero also was stretched out to last longer than needed. Only for one arc, but still. I think out of long running fighting shounen only RuroKen ended when it was supposed to. Dragonball over FotNS because highlights? Might as well place One Piece above FMAB because highlights. Also, >Ashita no Joe >Basic and passable Huh? I hope it's at least better than Ergo Proxy.
    • [ – ] WickedAnimeTroll parent reply Calling Ashita no Joe just basic and passable... the show is more complex and deeper than 95% of all anime, has great characters with one of the best MC's in anime and has such a spectacular ending that it became the most iconic anime ending of all time. Easily the best sports anime of all time (I don't expect or can't imagine another one beating it), probably the best drama anime of all time and definitely one of the best anime of all time.
      • [ – ] Embrace-your-sorrow parent reply Raoh's final moments will always stay unbeaten for me personally, and LOGH's ending is solid. But yeah, AnJ is one of the best dramas out there, alongside FotNS and Rose of Versailles. Snob always had a bias, but calling Ashita no Joe passable just isn't right.
    • [ – ] crzyboy190 parent reply Saint seiya is the perfected version of Bleach. It's all fights but at least it has some weight to them.
    • [ – ] silverdragon parent reply Is Ring ni Karero and saint seiya made by the sama guy? As for one piece over fmab. What i seen for one piece in 54 episodes it not as good fmab, and what i heard anime becomes unwatchable after time skip. Is Hokuto no Ken that good as a fighting shonen, like everybody says?
      • [ – ] Embrace-your-sorrow parent reply They are. Saint Seiya is basically a refined Ring ni Kakero. One Piece is a decent adventure, like the original Dragonball. It loses steam after the timeskip, because the characters are the best part of it and it had already explored them all by that time. The anime's main problem is pacing. Less than a chapter (sometimes less than half of a chapter, for God's sake, Toei) per episode. The manga's still readable. The difference between pre and post timeskip One Piece is like between DB and DBZ. It's not better than FMAB, I was just being sarcastic. I don't really know what everybody says, I'm not too familiar with the English speaking community, but I do have the MC, Kenshiro, as my profile pic, so the response is obviously "yes, it is that good, it's the LOGH of shounen", but I think I'd better explain the ups and downs. The anime Part one The visuals aren't of high quality. Recycled animation, inconsistent and simplified character designs, backrounds aren't anything special, the at...moretacks are presented as flashes most of the time and so on. They're passable, barely so. The sound design is fairly well done, the voice actors were having a blast, the soundtrack is amazing in dramatic moments and action scenes, but sometimes is placed awkwardly. When it connects, it's pure greatness, when it doesn't, it's comedy gold. The sound effects are a bit too cheesy, but tolerable. This combination creates a strange tone of the anime, that keeps jumping from cartoony to dead serious and dramatic. The story isn't really complex, it's about a guy wondering through the post-apocalyptic wasteland, fighting evil thugs in an over the top way and bumping into different guys, having an arc centered around them, adding a layer or two to the story and then goes on to the next guy, repeat until success (not exactly repeat, each arc is pretty distinct, but this general way of progressing the plot is pretty consistent throughout), and gets a bit more complex as it goes on, but never becomes anything outstandingly multilayered. It uses said simplicity extremely well though. It takes everything it can from the premise, by having plently of post-apocalypse, martial arts, drama and so on not just for show, but relevant to its storytelling. The pacing is badly damaged by fillers, a story worth 40 episodes is told in 109, with some recap episodes. The continuity is strong and by the end it becomes apparent that every moment mattered in the end. Which creates an extremely good conclusion. The first season has one of the best endings achievable, with no loose ends and everything is wrapped up quite nicely. The characters though, are the point of FotNS, its be all and end all. They all add something to the story, all matter, interact with each other, affect each other, nobody is irrelevant (to the point where an irritating little girl that hangs out around the protagonist is better characterised than anyone in, say, MHA. She has a well defined personality, a backdrop that adds to her character, she affects the development of at least two other characters and has character development that's meaningful and enhances her personality. And she's one of the the worst characters). The personalities of the main cast aren't one-dimentional and their inner conflicts always add to the story and affect the growth of others. Their backstories are dramatic but not only that, they also always add new layers of personality to them and provoke their development. The development is handled extremely well, doesn't come out of nowhere and connects into the part that makes FotNS into what it is: catharsis. When a highlight a particular character comes around, it connects everything that the chacter had and everything that he/she was and makes everything out of their characterisation. Honestly, I've never seen this part being done better. Also, the main antagonist of the first part, Raoh, is as good as an antagonist can possibly get. The writing isn't anything notable because it rarely fails, even when using retcons. The only two things are that it never references previous events when adding another, so the continuity's rather hard to follow and some character introductions often use relation to other characters as foreshadowing, to the point where you think "alright, doing this one more time would absolutely ruin it", and then it does this again for a dozen times. Nothing plot hole worthy, but is confusing sometimes. Part two The visuals are a little bit better, the design of the main antagonist is extremely similar to Raoh's just because, even though in the manga he looked completely different. The sound design is of the same quality as in the first part. All the main positives that I said about the story goes here as well. As for the flaws, the pacing's still slow, a 25-27 episodes done is 43 episodes. The continuity relies on retcons. They aren't insulting, but are presented pretty abruptly. The ending's pretty open because the last 35 chapter of epilogue were never adapted. The characters are with a somewhat weaker presence. They matter alright, but don't add as much to the story as previously. Other than that, they're as good as the ones in the first part. The writing though... Well, again, it's only problems are the ones I mentioned before, but this time they're multiplied tenfold. There're some questionable revelations and it doesn't help that you have to connect them to all previous events by yourself, the connections between some characters are confusingly presented. Still worth checking out, but doesn't live up to the first part. Manga. The artwork is great, gets better and the changes in character designs highlight how they mature throughout the story, which is a nice touch. It also creates a more serious tone of the narrative instead of the cartoony cheese of the anime. The story has all the positives of the anime and none of the negatives. The continuity is more solid even with the retcons because the anime changed the much better structure of the manga and cut out loads of scenes and important moments that clarify everything. The pacing is straight to the point because it has less fighting with filler thugs and evil warlords that were added by the anime, and if there is such a fight, it adds at least something to the story/characters. The conclusion of the manga is almost on the same level as the conclusion of the first part. The characters are even better than in the anime, because again, the anime cut out some important moments of characterisation, to the point of erasing half of a personality or a backdrop of one of the antagonists. The writing still has the same flaws, but they're almost unnoticeable compared to the anime (especially to the second part, which in anime is like NGE in terms of confusing presentation). Overall, it's a work that has some hiccups and bumps here and there, but the tragic story of amazing characters that it tells easily makes up for it. 11/10, would definately have no regrets of the life I lived again.
        • [ – ] WickedAnimeTroll parent reply I can't help but respect the dedication and effort you put when writing about FotNS. I am not sure if you get slowly annoyed by writing such long comments or you just deeply enjoy talking about it in any form but your effort is praiseworthy. > "The pacing is badly damaged by fillers, a story worth 40 episodes is told in 109" 40 episodes kinda sound too short. Wouldn't 60-80 not be a better fit ? > "(to the point where an irritating little girl that hangs out around the protagonist is better characterised than anyone in, say, MHA. She has a well defined personality, a backdrop that adds to her character, she affects the development of at least two other characters and has character development that's meaningful and enhances her personality. And she's one of the the worst characters). " reading this is funny and sad at the same time > "11/10, would definately have no regrets of the life I lived again." 11/10 reference to an epic scene
          • [ – ] Embrace-your-sorrow parent reply FotNS, Ashita no Joe and LOGH are the holy trinity of my favourite anime, and I just generally like to elaborate when explaining my thoughts. FotNS was an especially life changing experience for me, a huge inspiration. I decided to watch it after seeing the "Kenshiro Vs. Tank" video on Youtube, and expected some extreme 80's cheese. I got what I expected but also so much more. I do enjoy praising it sky high, but it's not like I lied about anything of what it achieves. [40 episodes kinda sound too short. Wouldn't 60-80 not be a better fit ?] 136 chapters. Stardust Crusaders anime adapted 151 chapter into 48 episodes, so I think 40-50 would be quite enough to get to the best scene of all time. [reading this is funny and sad at the same time] What do you mean?
            • [ – ] WickedAnimeTroll parent reply "Funny" in the sense that you took the most annoying character from an 80's show and showed us how even she is far better written than anything that "modern Masterpiece" MHA has to offer with its characters "Sad" in the sense that even the most annoying character in an 80's show is better written than this "modern Β΄Masterpiece" MHA has to offer with its characters
              • WickedAnimeTroll parent reply btw. As entertaining as the "Kenshiro Vs. Tank" video is, clips like this are kind of the reason why people who have not seen the actual show think the show must be some brainless chessefest. It is a bit of a double edged sword. The clip that convinced me to watch the show was a video called "Most manliest Anime scene Ever" from the 80's movie when Kenshiro punched skyscrapers down and walked though them... As nonsensical as the movie was with the story elements, it made more than up for it with the improved animation and over-excessive gore that was in it (Rei's introduction was so awesome)
      • [ – ] crzyboy190 parent reply Fist Of The North Star is the OG fighting shonen that was dragged out. It should've ended at 15 volumes but MONEY! And it continue but is still a worthy read/watch
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